Pat Welsh - Us Versus Them, Warrior Servant Leadership, and Cheating Death

A three‑day‑old infant left at a Dublin orphanage. A midnight chat room that led back to a mother’s voice on her 79th birthday. A DA who walked away from the courtroom to chase a childhood dream in one of America’s most violent cities. Pat Welsh’s journey is equal parts grit, grace, and the hard edges of service, and we go deep on what it takes to hold your soul together when the job tries to pull it apart.

We sit with the long arc of his life: adoption to identity, a marriage that weathered decades of shift work and trauma, and the devastating loss of a son who died serving overseas. Pat explains how a childhood traumatic brain injury shaped his memory—he can recall facts but cannot replay mental images—blunting the loop of PTSD while also dimming treasured life moments. That paradox reframed how he processed 300+ homicide scenes and the quiet, cumulative toll of violence. A chance grocery‑store encounter with a once‑runaway kid, now a college grad and dad, snapped him out of constant survival mode and back into human connection.

Pat opens the hood on police culture and the public divide. He argues that both police and media fuel the “us versus them” cycle by spotlighting outrage and hiding the daily good—mentorship, prevention, the quiet saves that never trend. We explore his Warrior Servant Leader framework: stand up for what’s right, put others first, and use your influence for positive impact at home and on the street. His training philosophy is holistic and blunt, aimed at helping officers become better spouses, parents, and neighbors, not just better tacticians. He challenges listeners to define their “life sentence,” the one line people will speak at your funeral, and to live to make it true.

If you care about policing, leadership, faith, or the long work of rebuilding trust, this conversation brings real stories, practical tools, and a moral compass you can use today: do the right thing,

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Chapters

• 0:57 Meet Pat Welsh And His Story
• 1:28 From Dublin Orphanage To Adoption
• 4:39 Abandonment, Identity, And Family Dynamics
• 6:06 A Midnight Chat That Changed Everything
• 9:43 Reunion, Healing, And Medical History
• 12:41 Calling To Serve And Career Pivot
• 14:43 Violence, Faith, And Family Resilience
• 16:44 Lessons From The Front Lines
• 18:49 TBI, Memory, And PTSD Differences
• 20:19 Survival Mode And A Grocery Store Wakeup
• 22:25 Why People Hate The Police
• 23:24 Media Versus Police Accountability
• 24:47 Unsung Service And Community Stories
• 27:25 Training Cops As Whole People
• 29:04 Warrior, Servant, Leader Defined
• 30:17 Breaking Us Versus Them Mindset
• 31:16 What Qualifies A True Leader
• 32:55 Life Sentence And Purpose
• 34:15 Closing Wisdom And Moral Compass

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:37

Welcome back to one-on-one with Mr. U, of course. I'm your host, Mr. U. We're studio with us, retired superintendent of the Dayton, Ohio Police Department and one of the leaders of the Warrior Servant Leader Platform. Pat Welsh is in the house. Pat, how are you, man? Good to have you here.

SPEAKER_00: 0:52

Hey man, doing great and thanks for having me. I really appreciate you.

SPEAKER_01: 0:57

Same here, sir. Same here, sir. It's customary for us to ask our guests to come in and kind of share a little bit about their background, their childhood. How'd you come up? How'd you get from where you are right now, man? Go ahead and share.

SPEAKER_00: 1:09

Uh well, the Reader's Digest version, uh, I tell people is uh I'm from an orphanage uh to uh private tour of the uh White House and in the Oval Office, but that that's the Reader's Digest. But uh so I I was abandoned in an orphanage in Dublin, Ireland when I was three days old. Uh my birth birth mother was a widow, and uh I lived in the orphanage until I was 16 months old and I was adopted to the United States. And then my journey, uh I'm coming up, I'm 68 years old, so it's it's uh been you know, the race has uh been a long one. And uh I've been a cop, I've been a lawyer, uh husband for 45 years, five kids, a couple grands. Um and uh along that journey, there uh yeah, I've been through uh the Valley of Death uh type experiences. Our youngest son died serving overseas 10 years ago, and uh wife had ovarian cancer, and it's been a faith journey uh that entire way with uh great highs and and some pretty low lows. That's that's it in a nutshell.

SPEAKER_01: 2:22

Yeah, that's that's uh definitely a full life. That the part about uh you being abandoned and often is I just I just find that so profound because sometimes people walk away from that even years later. And I think it's something that my wife and I see in a specific nature that we function in. And we see the issue years, decades later, people should have residual impacts from that. Do you think that there's one for you personally because of that? Do you see something where it's like you know, kind of like a whether you call it a daily battle? How do you want to describe it? A daily battle, maybe perhaps something that you have to kind of push back against because it's not a good mindset for you based on that? Is something like that?

SPEAKER_00: 3:01

Yeah, it it it's kind of uh it's a two-part story. Uh yes, until right before I turned 40 years old, I had I didn't have I never caught I never would have perceived it or called it abandonment issues, but I also uh I did grow up with a bit of a mindset of I'm on my own. Uh yeah, yes, I have a mom and a dad. Uh I have an American-born sister uh that they adopted when she was three days old, so that's all she ever knew. Um and I didn't even know where Ireland was at on a map until I was probably in third grade. So I it just didn't impact me as much. My sister had a lot of that resentment. You know, my real mom wouldn't make me eat broccoli kind of stuff. Uh I didn't, but I was also raised by uh my dad was deeply entrenched. He was a World War II veteran, D Day plus 10. Uh, if you want it done right, do it yourself. And so I had that mindset uh about my family. You know, yes, this is my mom and dad, but I'm not really one of them kind of deal. Until I turned 40, and then uh this is completely divine intervention. Uh my mom and dad, my wife, uh, we've been married 17 years. Uh my parents were on their 50th wedding anniversary. My American sister and her husband were celebrating their 15th anniversary, and we were gonna go to Ireland uh for to celebrate all our anniversaries because my my father's heritage came from County Limerick. So I was raised uh on my dad's side of the family. We did a lot of Irish kind of things. Well, but we're gonna go in September of 97, and in October of 96, I worked midnight, so on my regular days off, I'd keep my schedule. I went you couldn't go to bed at a normal time. So it's yeah, it's I was four o'clock in the morning, and I jumped on uh uh a chat room on the internet called Ireland, and uh back then they called it pound, not hashtag. And uh so hashtag Ireland, and I jumped on there and I I had there's six, seven people. I go, anybody actually in Ireland? And and Ireland was five hours ahead of us uh because we were living in Ohio at the time. And uh one guy said, Yeah. And I go, where are you at? He goes, Dublin. I go, hey, do you know uh so I typed, you know, do you know if St. Pat's uh infant guild is still on Haddington Road? And he goes, How do you know about St. Pat's? I said, Well, I lived in the orphanage, and he goes, so did I. When were you there? And and I said, Yeah, back 57 to 59. And he goes, Oh, I was there in 75, you know, you know the orphanage is closed, and and I did know it was closed. And he goes, Have you ever tried to find your birth mother? And I said, No. He goes, Well, if you're interested, call this nun. And he gave me her phone number. And uh, and it was the offices. The orphanage itself was closed, but the business offices still existed.

SPEAKER_01: 6:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 6:10

So I called it, and this nun answered the phone. I told her my story. She goes, send me a letter in any proof you're who you say you are, and uh we'll we'll see what happens. So I did that, and uh in January of 97, I get up at four o'clock in the afternoon-ish, and I come down, and my one daughter says, Dad, some lady called, and I couldn't understand a word she said. Uh the Irish accent. Uh but here's her phone number. Well, it was the nun's I recognized it was the nun's phone number. So I called her back and she goes, I found your birth mother, you have a sister, uh, but I I can't give you their contact info. And in your letter, you did not indicate if I could give out your info. I said, Oh, absolutely. And she goes, they may never contact you. And I said, No worries, I wasn't actually looking for anybody. It was just a curiosity question at four o'clock in the morning, uh, talking to a guy in Dublin, Ireland. And uh so two days later, again, get up four o'clock in the afternoon-ish, you know, and my daughter goes, Hey, some lady called, can understand a word she said, here's a number. Well, it was a different phone number, but it was the Irish International Exchange. So I called it, and my birth sister answered the phone.

SPEAKER_01: 7:29

Well, what was that like?

SPEAKER_00: 7:30

So it was, and here's the weird part. She's nine years older than me, but she didn't know about me. And uh so uh we we talked for a few minutes and then she goes, Well, mommy's because it was nine o'clock their time or ten o'clock their time. She goes, Mummy's already gone to bed. Can we can we call you back tomorrow and what would be a good time? So I said, Yeah, sure. And uh uh she goes, uh you know, eight o'clock at my time, eight, eight o'clock their time, three o'clock my time. And she goes, Well, Mummy's gonna be so pleased tomorrow is her 79th birthday. So the first time she ever got to have a conversation with her son was uh on her birthday. So it that's a long answer to your question about prior to actually uh talking to her, and then we went over to Ireland in September, and my two moms got to spend three days together. And the the healing that happened for my birth mother, uh the questions I had uh as uh you know an adoptee, because you always want to know the answer why, and and and you want to know your medical history, you know, type deal. And so the healing that everybody had was I I say it's a miracle, it's in God's timing that this happened, and uh and so anything that I felt prior to that meeting and that closure and and whatnot uh just became a complete thing of the past. And I know a lot of people don't have that that are adopted, they don't have uh particularly under U.S. laws, you know, the privacy and all that kind of stuff, it's very difficult. Um but uh don't dwell on it. It it's God has you where you're at for a reason. And except that should be enough.

SPEAKER_01: 9:29

Yeah, that's that's amazing, man. You've you've dealt with a lot of uh life. I want to get this into some of your uh career moves too, because those things often shape us. I just want to get into that a little bit. Was there ever a storm of life or a life storm, if you will, that you question how you're gonna get through it?

SPEAKER_00: 9:52

Uh yeah, uh professionally, um career-wise. I I was a DA who became a cop. I did it backwards. Uh and uh after four years of prosecuting cases, I I hated what I was doing. And I'm gonna call it a storm, but it was definitely a uh uh uh a disturbance, let's call it that. And my wife I came home one evening uh because I was you know, I was doing the prosecutor, and then I had a private practice on the side, and came home, I was 28 years old, and she says, Man, you're always you know in a bad mood when you come home. What do you want to really do? And I told her, I I wanted to be in law enforcement since I was eight or nine years old. And she goes, then go do it. So I had her I had her support. And uh so I made that transition professionally, and for the next 26 years, that's what I did. There were a lot of times, uh you know, Dayton, Ohio was very violent. Uh we were the seventh most violent city per capita during my career. Compton, California was number nine. Uh I've been on hundreds of homicides, just all sorts of stuff, and saw things and had to deal with things no human being should have to do. And I would call there were periods during that time where uh I just wanted to shut down and be left alone. Uh, and that affected my faith life, that affected our family life. Uh, but we weathered through it. My wife stuck, you know, 45 years we've been married. Uh she stuck through all that. But the biggest storm uh uh would be when our son died.

unknown: 11:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 11:35

Uh so but it was faith and the and and uh I'm a devout practicing Roman Catholic, I'm a Christian, I I have a four-year biblical studies uh program under my belt. My wife and I went through it together, and it was during this time uh when Kevin died. And uh that is what it it was faith and community uh and consistency that got us through that.

SPEAKER_01: 12:07

I love that man. That's a powerful story. Yeah, I was reading it we were talking about it offline in regards to your uh career in law enforcement. It's kind of a two-part question, I guess. First part, what did it be on the front lines in law enforcement, especially in uh one of the more dangerous cities in the war at that time? What did that teach you? And then I guess on the other hand, I I kind of kind of wonder about you know how do you handle now all the things that you've seen? Because it's easy to put it into a uh a memory box if you will and just forget about it, but what's the impact now from all that you've seen, all of the homicide, all of the violence, all you you have to be in Ohio to still kind of uh connect with those things. So kind of a two-part question. Would you learn most bigger takeaway from being on the front lines, and then how do you handle uh the weight of all the things that you've seen in that in that time, even though it was years ago?

SPEAKER_00: 13:05

Yeah, um two-part answer. Uh one, I learned it did and it was not instantaneous. This is over a period of years. Uh, I learned patience. Uh, I learned uh it's not personal. People didn't I dealt with uh situations I had to deal with. It wasn't Pat Welsh they hated, it was the uniform. Uh it's what I represented at times. Um so that not to take things personally, and because one of the biggest dangers of being a cop is you develop a uh us versus them mindset, um, and that that's um that's not healthy. Uh and the other thing I learned is in a very brutal way, is uh there are a ton of people that I out there I I call them the least, the last, and the lost. Uh there there's so much tragedy, there's so much um um things that can you know drive people to to depression and and and hate and all that kind of stuff. And so it gave me the ability to start developing empathy and compassion that I didn't have when I first became a cop. Uh so uh that that was a uh that was a journey. With respect to life after law enforcement, now I've been retired 13 years, and you know, how do I deal with uh because I've literally I've seen I've been on over 300 murder scenes uh in my career, and that doesn't count everything else I dealt with. In hindsight, this is gonna sound like a really weird answer. I think God prepared me for that career when I was in second grade and I had a traumatic brain injury. And uh I if if you're Catholic, we called it last rites, it's it's really called the anointing of the sick. But uh yeah, I was in a coma. They didn't know if I was gonna go live, die, what if and even if I did come out of it, what what was it gonna be? Uh you kind of life would I have? Well, one of the things of having that uh TBI uh and a long-term um consequence of it is uh I do not have the ability to visualize and remember pick I can't picture events from the past. So I I can remember facts and circumstances, and uh academically I did really well. I mean I came out of that, went to third grade, skipped fourth grade. Uh but I it's a blessing and a curse in in a way, is I literally cannot picture past events. So I haven't suffered with PTSD mostly because I can't play it over in my mind like a video. Um and I think that's a blessing. The problem, the curse is I I can't replay uh my wedding day, my kids' births, yeah, those kinds of things. I I remember facts and I can tell the stories about uh a lot of things. And I wrote a book called You know Warrior Servant Leader, Life Behind the Badge. I remember all the events, I just can't picture them. And part of PSTD for a lot of people is you can't shut off the video, I can't turn it on. So it's kind of different.

SPEAKER_01: 16:43

No, that's definitely different. I'm gonna get into some of your thoughts on law enforcement because it'll be really interesting for us to touch on that. But before we do that, I want to just ask you because to work in the places that you've worked to do the heavy lifting you've done. How do you personally avoid not being in some in survival mode? The world's coming against you. How do you not how do you live and not be in survival mode all the time? How how how were you able to do that?

SPEAKER_00: 17:17

I did. As a cop, I did. Uh until I was 20 plus years into my career. So this is late in my career, where I learned a lesson. Excuse me. I was always in survival mode as a cop because we had to live in the city. We had mandatory residency. So we weren't allowed to live, you know, in a suburb. So I went everywhere with my gun, off duty. I took my gun to church, uh, type deal. And this is before school shooters and all you know, a lot of that other stuff. Until one day where I had a uh uh a wake-up moment, if you will. Uh earlier in my career, I took a call at a house of uh of a return runaway, a 12-year-old uh young African American male, didn't come home from school, and uh his parents reported him missing, and a different officer took that call in the afternoon at about one or two o'clock in the morning. I got the call to go to the house because the kid came back. So I'm thinking this is a two-minute call. I'm gonna confirm he's there, he's not hurt, if he runs away again, call us. And so I get the information from the family, and I'm getting ready to leave, and mom says, We're at our wits end, we don't know what to do. Uh, will you talk to our son? And I said, Yeah. I didn't know what am I gonna I was a 30-something-year-old white guy, what am I gonna tell a 12-year-old uh black kid growing up in this neighborhood that's running with gangbangers and whatnot that's gonna make a difference. But I talked to him anyway. Less than five minutes. He never even made eye contact with me. And I talked to him like a parent, not a cop, and I left. 18 years later, I'm standing in line at Kroger's checking out, and it's you know, I'm in the city, I got my gun on, off duty, I got my Uncle Mike's uh ankle holster on, and a little old lady next to me, and then some other people behind that, and this voice behind this old lady goes, Hey Welsh, is that you? And I'm like, Okay, it's it's either got to be a cop or not a cop, because nobody calls me by my last name. I turn and look, and it's about six foot four, I figured 30-ish year old black male, and I immediately went to flashing red. You know, what am I gonna do if he gets froggy? What am I gonna if he follows me out to the parking lot, all this, and I'm racking my brain. What did I arrest him for? And uh so I was polite, you know, professional. I turned to him, I go, yes, sir. He goes, You probably don't remember me. I said, No, sir, I don't. He goes, When I was 12 years old, you came to my house because I didn't come home from school. I I just want to tell you, uh, I graduated from college, I'm married, and I have two daughters, and I want to say thank you. And I went, oh my God, you know, who's who's the south end of a northbound horse right now? That all these years I always treated and suspected everybody of being a threat to me because of what I did for a living. And that was my way that changed my attitude. Now, did I still carry my gun everywhere I went? Absolutely. But I didn't look at people as automatically, hey, uh they're a threat, or you know, I'm I'm on I'm not in green level, you know, I'm I'm always yellow, ready to shoot uh flashing red. And and that changed my attitude.

SPEAKER_01: 20:57

That's powerful, man. Why do you think people hate the police?

SPEAKER_00: 21:02

Because we uh are complicit, the police are complicit in developing this uh us versus them mindset between the community uh and law enforcement. Equally complicit is the media, the politicians, and the community that we have just all become accustomed to um that uh the police go, you're not one of us, and the community goes, You're not one of us. And so we we don't have we don't have connection and relationships.

SPEAKER_01: 21:44

Okay. If you had to put a uh a percentage on each of those areas, the media, the community, uh the communities and the police, what are the percentages you put up as far as uh the blame, if you will, out of a hundred percent?

SPEAKER_00: 22:00

Out of a hundred percent 50 percent 50 percent on the cops and 50 percent on the media.

SPEAKER_01: 22:08

The community gets zero.

SPEAKER_00: 22:10

The community forms their uh opinion of law enforcement based on uh the 30-second videos they see on the news or the politicians, is they don't in today's world, if it's if it's on TV, if it's on the internet, it must be true type deal. And they never nobody ever shows rarely all the incredible good things cops are doing uh on the job because the vast majority of police officers are not running from call in the United States, are not running from call to call to call. Like that yeah, the big urban environments, yes. But even even that, like uh do you know how Mohammed Ali got started in boxing?

SPEAKER_01: 23:05

I feel like I heard the story, but but go ahead and share. I don't want to plug it.

SPEAKER_00: 23:09

No, it's uh uh a uh a uniformed police officer in uh Louisville, Kentucky, who was part of the police athletic league, which is a off off-duty, you don't get paid for it, 100% volunteer, knew Cassius Clay, that that was his name, as a nine-year-old, and knew where he would end up if he continued in the life that he was being exposed to as a nine-year-old in Louisville, Kentucky, and invited him to join the police athletic league boxing program. And then Paul Harvey, you know the rest of the story. But nobody knows that unless a cop that was, and I was involved in the police athletic league, knows that story and shares it. And I blame the police for not doing a better job of sharing what they do that positively impacts the community on and off duty, and I blame the media for not seeking out those stories and sharing them so that we can build community, community, community uh between us, the the protectors, and those who our job is to protect you from being a victim. And you hate us for coming. Yeah, how many how many unsolved cases, homicides and whatnot, are out there because people that know what happened hate the police so much they would rather not cooperate than to so help solve a murder and bring closure to a family that lost a loved one.

SPEAKER_01: 24:47

You'd want that if it was you.

SPEAKER_00: 24:49

Oh yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 24:50

Trust me on that one. So what's your personal view of law enforcement?

SPEAKER_00: 24:56

I think uh law enforcement they're they are unsung warrior servants. That uh they are the warrior in them uh is that they stand up, they show up, and they defend uh what they believe, and they they believe in protecting their community, they believe in holding criminals accountable, and they do it. And it's a very, very difficult uh position to be in. And most people do not see cops as servants, uh, and I do, having done it for over 26 years, is a servant is a person that puts the wants and needs of others before their own. And you name one other group of people in this world other than the military that will run towards gunfire, who will uh firefighters, yeah, they'll run into a burning building, but they got protective gear on. I love them to death, but how many I know tons of cops who have run into burning buildings uh and they have no protective gear on to try and and save someone. And and they have that mindset, but they go through a career that just keeps pounding and and and beating them up, and they lose faith in themselves and they lose faith in the community.

SPEAKER_01: 27:12

Several more questions I'm trying to get to before our time runs out, which is really close to happening now, but this is a great conversation. So if I understand right, Pat, you're training policemen now, right? Is that right?

SPEAKER_00: 27:23

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01: 27:24

How did that how did that process change because of the climate that we're in? Are you doing something differently because of today's climate?

SPEAKER_00: 27:32

No, no, I I I I I I'm very authentic, which means I'm very blunt when I talk to cops. And uh I'll tell you what, the b the best evaluation I ever got back, written evaluation, was uh because it was about leadership and changing the culture of law enforcement. And the the uh the feedback was thank you for sharing what you did. You just gave me the tools to save my marriage. So I I approach training cops in a holistic way. It's not about just being a cop, it's being a better spouse, being a better parent, being a better person, uh, uh having a faith life. If you don't want to have one, why why not? Uh kind of deal. And um, and that that evaluation told me, okay, uh I'm not just training cops, I'm training the whole person.

SPEAKER_01: 28:27

That's an excellent approach to this because I think that they they could use that kind of uh holistic insights that's really good. You talk a lot about warrior, servant, leader. We should know what the words mean, but what exactly is that to you and what are you doing surrounding that?

SPEAKER_00: 28:45

Well, the warrior, you know, you stand up, show up, and defend what you believe. Take a parent. You do that for your family and your kids. A servant is someone who simply puts the wants and needs of others before themselves. Uh look at Mother Teresa, now St. Teresa of Calcutta. And a leader is simply a person of positive impact and influence in the lives of others, like that 12-year-old kid. That that was a leadership moment for me. I didn't see it as that, you know, as I'm going through it, but as I look back and I've learned and grown in my own development, that's what a leader does. They treat everybody and everything as a positive opportunity to impact and influence that person.

SPEAKER_01: 29:27

I love it. In your training of police officers, how I'm sure that there's some component that it simply has to be where you're dealing with that us against them attitude and trying to break that wall down, that barrier, if you will. How are you doing that? And how can we do that on our end?

SPEAKER_00: 29:45

Well, the easy the quickest way for you to do it on your end is to get this book. It's called Danger, Duty, and Disillusion, a worldview of the LAPD, and it breaks down, it's the best book ever written of looking at the psychology of an officer and why they develop from that idealism of I want to give back to the community to I hate everybody. Uh so read that book that that's I did, 1999. It changed my life, and then I use that as a tool in very practical scenario-based training uh to help change your mindset as a cop.

SPEAKER_01: 30:27

I got the link in the live chat for all you guys that are listening or watching the show. Uh on Amazon, Danger Duty, and Dissolution. I have it in the chat. You guys can find it there, and I'll do my best to add it to the show notes if I can also. Just a few more questions asked and then I'll get us out of here. So we talk a lot about uh uh leadership and uh the importance of that to you. What's your qualification for somebody who uh is called to or aspires to be a leader? Because we see a lot of bad examples of that, and I would love to hear your thoughts on what you think qualifies somebody to be a leader.

SPEAKER_00: 31:07

You have to sit down and really do that self-analysis and ask yourself a couple of questions. And if you aspire to be a leader, I think one of the most important questions you have to honestly answer is why? Why do you want to be a leader? And what's your definition of a leader? If you go, well, I want to be a leader because I want to be a police chief. Okay, that's positional leadership. And that's not, you're not a real leader. You know, what is your definition of a leader and why do you want to do that? And then here's the second question. What's your life sentence? And people are looking at it, and I this is the last thing I do with every every training thing I do with cops. Every one of us has a life sentence, and that sentence is going to be the one sentence people share at your funeral about you. You know, they'll say, Oh, well, Pat, you know, Pat had a great smile. They'll say something. Well, that's how they remember you. What do you want them to say? What do you say is your life sentence? And if you if you ask me, my life sentence is I want people at my funeral uh to say Pat impacted my life. And it's that simple. And then what every day, how am I not living out that life sentence? What am I doing that's not impactful in a positive way? Uh, and then that keeps you focused, uh, and it gives you purpose.

SPEAKER_01: 32:45

Personally, Pat, this has been a fantastic conversation. Thank you for coming here and sharing so much of your life for our listeners and our audience. Uh, for those of you are watching and listening for the first time, you don't know how it goes, but this is a lot of episodes, so this would be social media already has this episode going right now. It's still live. The others will be uh sharing clips within the hour and on all the listening platforms. Also, within the hour, you can get the full episode with Pat and all the uh things that he's sharing about. Final question I'm gonna ask you, and I'm gonna give you a couple of minutes to share about your community newsletter, which the link to is already on the screen right now. For those that are listening, you can find Pat Welsh, W-E-L-S-H, on LinkedIn. His warrant warrior servant leader community newsletter. For those that are watching, you can see on the screen right now, it's also in the uh show notes and as well in the live chat. So, last question we asked is for all of our guests that come through. It's called a CMV question. It's theoretical. Have to diminish your talents and your abilities and your skill set and all you've done. You've done great things over the years. Where do you think Pat Welsh is today? Is it a place you haven't been? You probably have haven't touched it. Maybe you haven't even thought about it much over the years. What do you think you're doing today? Most likely.

SPEAKER_00: 34:07

I'd be a Roman Catholic priest.

SPEAKER_01: 34:11

What?

SPEAKER_00: 34:12

Yeah, if I uh it's in hindsight, it's uh uh yes, that I would be a Roman Catholic priest.

SPEAKER_01: 34:21

All right, this so so I always had to spollow a question because sometimes it warrants that. So there's is there any chance it's gonna happen now?

SPEAKER_00: 34:29

No, uh nope. They haven't they have an age moment, plus I'm married.

SPEAKER_01: 34:35

Oh wow. Okay, I didn't know about both of those. That's yeah, man. Thank you for being here, brother. I want to give you a couple minutes to kind of share with the people. You can share about the newsletter and who you serve, or you can just share from what you've been sharing with us today. Maybe some pearls of wisdom, some encouragement for the listeners and the viewers. You got two minutes, man. They are yours, man. Go for it.

SPEAKER_00: 34:55

Oh man, that it's real simple. Here's here's basic message. A, you're not alone. Seek out community, seek out people uh that you want to be mentored by, that you uh aspire to be, uh, and fill your life with the type of people you want to be. That's one thing. And then the last thing, uh, this is on my challenge coin. I actually had this laminated and was on the on my wall or on my door to my office. So the folks that worked with me or worked for me uh knew how I was gonna always conduct myself. This is my moral compass, if you will, uh, and it's very scripturally based. I'm not gonna give you all the scriptures that support it, but here's the bottom line: always strive to do the right thing at the right time, the right way, and for the right reasons. And if you do that, no matter what storms you face in life uh or what heights you uh uh rise to, uh that will keep you focused and it will also keep you humble. That it takes a lot of courage and a lot of humility to always try to do the right thing at the right time, the right way, and for the right reasons.

SPEAKER_01: 36:18

Thank you very much for coming here and sharing your life, man. Please give our best to your family, man. But this has been fantastic. You can find uh Pat Welsh in his uh community newsletter, Warrior Servant Leader, on LinkedIn. Of course, the clips from the episode will be heavily placed there as well, as well as every listening platform. Wherever you get your podcast, it'd be up within the hour. Pat, thank you again for jumping on here and sharing some of your life with us, man. It's been a blessing, man. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00: 36:45

Thank you, thank you. Bless you too, man.

SPEAKER_01: 36:47

Thank you, sir. That's Pat. I'm Mr. U. We're out of here. Have a great day. Thanks again for watching and listening to one on one with Mr.

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